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BENCH TOPICS: RELOADING THE 7.5 x 55 SWISS - Part I: Tools, Tips & Tricks For The Swiss K-31 Mil-Surp rifle
 
Article written by: Mark Trope
 

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WARNING!

This article addresses issues that deal with reloading firearm cartridges. The information presented is a result of strict adherence to current, recognized sources of reloading data (loading manuals), very careful observation, and experience. We offer no guarantee or warranty of any kind on the information presented and you should proceed with caution if you choose to try the techniques or products that we present. Reloading is not an exact science; we have no control over what you do or what you use. Therefore, you assume any and all risk involved.

 

Part I

Background

 

During my time as a US Army First Sergeant, I was afforded the privilege of carrying a Beretta 9mm pistol while on deployment.  The Beretta, with its large capacity magazine and highly visible sights was a comforting accouterment.  One thing for sure, it was a lot easier to carry then an M16!  When I finally was able to lie down on my cot at night, the Beretta was under my pillow.  While washing and shaving in the morning, the Beretta was stuck in my waistband, slightly behind my right hip.  While a M16 rifle could be slung across the back, the pistol was just more accessible, and much faster to get into action if required.    

For all my sins, luck or providence dictated I would never have to put the pistol into action while deployed.  The government supplied us with arms and ammunition.  We tried to make our soldiers proficient shots on the practice range, and hoped they would not have to prove that proficiency while deployed.  We also tried to instill in our soldiers an understanding of the reason we were called upon to swiftly leave our families & friends and be sent to far-flung corners of the world.  When one is in the profession of arms, these are the chances you get paid to take.               

However, with over 20 + years of military service, and 10 + years of retirement from the US Military under my belt, I now have the luxury of approaching Mil-Surp arms from a less urgent point of view. 

There was, and is, a prevailing belief among many the handgun is more of an authority symbol in the military then a viable combat weapon.  I’m not sure who started that rumor.  No doubt it was someone who either had never shot a handgun, or someone who refused to put in the practice time to gain proficiency with one.   

 

During close quarter fighting, a handgun is (in knowledgeable & proficient hands), just as useful, and in some cases more useful then a rifle.  I’m thinking about close quarter, house-to-house type fighting as is so common around the world today, or about the required cave cleaning that went on during “island hopping” toward the end of the war in the Pacific.  These types of engagements are, and were “up close and personal”.   Martial handguns have proved themselves time and time again in such situations. 

At one point, planners (I assume people not proficient in the use of handguns) thought the M-1 carbine would replace the pistol for all military use.  Luckily for the men and women in uniform, cooler, and more experienced heads prevailed.  The pistol would retain its place in the US Military inventory.   

During the early part of the last century many military’s adopted a semi-automatic pistol.  With the US entrance into WWI, guns were needed, and fast!  While the US Military adopted the Model 1911 semi-automatic pistol, Quartermaster Corps officials knew there would be a long lag time before sufficient stocks of the new, semi-auto pistol would be available.  However, there was a pressing need to issue side arms to the troops.  Procurement personnel looked for a readily available substitute-standard sidearm.   For the purpose of ammunition standardization, a substitute-standard sidearm would have to be in the same .45 ACP (Auto Colt Pistol) caliber as the Model 1911.   Procurement personnel realized revolvers were the answer.  What they needed now was a vendor or two to fill contracts for such an arm.   

Two American companies were in a position to supply large numbers of revolvers, and do it fast!  Colt had its “New Service” revolver (Note.1), and Smith & Wesson had its “N” frame revolver already in production.  Both these guns have very large frames and cylinders.  Chambering them in .45 ACP was no problem for factory engineers.  The addition of a lanyard swivel, military finish on the metal, and smooth, walnut grip panels completed the package.  Colt and Smith & Wesson were soon shipping large numbers of Model 1917, .45 ACP chambered revolvers to the military.    

The 1917, .45 ACP revolvers were successful combat weapons in WWI.   In fact, some soldiers preferred the wheel gun to an autoloader in the muddy trenches of WWI Europe. 

After WWI, there was a sufficient market for these revolvers to both police and the civil sector; that production of .45 ACP revolvers continued at both Colt and Smith & Wesson.  Various barrel lengths are noted in the non-military production guns (Note.2).

Upon the US entrance into WWII, the US Military once again had a pressing need for side arms.  The government once again let contracts for additional 1917’s.  Many of the WWII era Smith & Wesson martial revolvers (in .445 British caliber) were supplied to the UK under the Lend Lease Act of 1941.       

The LEND LEASE ACT OF 1941 can be viewed at: www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq59-23.htm.   Pay close attention to SEC. 3. (a), (1) & SEC. 3. (5) (b).

 

Part II

The Gun

Smith & Wesson 1917

 

To begin with, the 1917 is one big gun!  When the basic frame was designed in the first decade of the last century, designers put a lot of metal in it.  This was because the frame was designed around the large diameter .44 Special cartridge.  The official name of the .44 Special gun was “New Century”, it was also known popularly known as the “Triple Lock”.   The New Century incorporated a full ejector rod shroud at the bottom of the barrel with a ball & detent lock, the usual cylinder bolt and a crane lock.  The novel crane lock is the feature that gave the gun the nick name “Triple Lock” (Note.5).

Smith & Wesson 38/44 Heavy Duty

A .38 Special on the .44 N frame, note the ejector rod shroud

When S&W began producing the 1917, the ejector rod shroud was dispensed with.  The military felt the shroud might pack up with mud; disabling the gun.   It was replaced with a post arrangement to hold the ball & detent lock at the bottom of the barrel.       

Smith & Wesson 1917 dispensed with the full ejector rod shroud; it is replaced by a lug

 

The military specified a barrel length of 5.5 inches.  This is a very good compromise length.  When wheel gun barrel lengths get to 6 inches and over, the guns become slower to get into action.   Lengths of between 4 to 5.5 inches are about perfect for double action wheel guns.  I personally like a 5 inch barrel myself.      

The crane lock was also dispensed with.  The military felt the crane lock was superfluous (Note.6).  

Because the revolvers were originally designed to function with rimmed ammunition like the .44 Special, .38 Special, etc, the extractor star wouldn’t eject “rimless” (the rim doesn’t project beyond the cartridge sidewalls) rounds like the .45 ACP.  Crafty designers came up with a fix that not only solved the extraction issue, but also addressed the question of fast reloads in the field.  Flat, spring-steel clips that held 3 rounds each were developed.  Their shape gave them the nickname “Half Moon Clips”. The combination of the .45ACP rim and steel clip necessitated a larger gap between the recoil shield and the rear of the cylinder.  Cylinder length was adjusted to function with the .45ACP ammunition and steel clips.  (Note.7).

After WWI, the US Government sold off many of the 1917’s.  As stated before, after WWI, both Smith & Wesson and Colt continued to produce revolvers chambered in 45ACP for the civil and police markets.  Many didn’t like fooling with the half moon clips.  So, about 1920 Peters Cartridge Corp. developed the .45 Auto Rim cartridge.  The new rimmed round allowed brass to be chambered and ejected without the half moon clips.  Since the steel clips were no longer present, the rims are a good deal thicker on 45 AR brass.  The thicker rim makes up for the fact there is no clip.  We will discuss  the .45 AR later on.

Smith & Wesson 1917 grips are small

(Lanyard swivel can be seen below grips)

 

This part of the frame will pound the web of your hand with stock grips

 
The walnut grip panels of the 1917 are simple, unadorned, oil finished walnut.  As is the style of the time, they do not project beyond the bottom of the grip frame area, nor do they extend upwards over the main revolver frame area.  This leaves the web of the hand subject to a beating by the narrow steel area right above the grip frame.  In damp, rainy climate of WWI central Europe, the 1917’s smooth grip panels would slip if the gun were fired with wet hands.   In the early 1930’s Smith & Wesson decided to do something about the grip panels.

Magna Grips come up to top of the frame

Magna Grips do not extend below the bottom of the frame
 

In the 1930’s S&W designed the “Magna” style grip stock.  The Magna style stocks extended wood much higher on the revolver frame.  The additional wood was wider, spreading out the recoil effect to the hand.  Magna grips also have checkering for a firmer grip.

A filler block behind the trigger guard places the hand in a better position

(An original, vintage, Smith & Wesson plastic filler block)

 

Even with the newer Magna grips, guns still tended to settle quite deeply in the hand.  The addition of a simple filler block behind the trigger guard repositioned the gun so the trigger finger was in a much better position.  Many companies, including S&W, were producing filler blocks.  Filler blocks were made of both plastic and metal.

Smith & Wesson Target Grips incorporate a filler behind the trigger guard, and extend wood below the bottom of the frame

Smith & Wesson Target Grips

 
In the 1950’s, S&W began producing their “Target Grip”.  The Target Grip incorporates a built-in filler behind the trigger guard.  It also extends wood beyond the bottom of the grip frame, and covers the front of the grip frame.  Target grips have a large area of deep checkering.  Any S&W, or aftermarket grip designed for the square butt, N frame will fit the 1917 S&W.   However, the lanyard swivel will be in the way when putting most other grips on the 1917.    

Rubber grips are the goods!

(Lanyard swivel is still in place)

 

I grabbed an old pair of N frame rubber grips I had in my parts stash; and relieved them on the bottom with a sanding drum installed in my Dremel tool.  Now the grips fit the 1917 without removing the lanyard swivel. 

Before, we briefly mentioned the steel clips that allowed rimless cartridges to be held in a quick reload status for the 1917, and also allow the extraction of empties from the gun.  The military originally supplied the 3 round, half moon clips with the guns.  Later, suppliers began supplying spring-steel 6 round  “Full Moon Clips”.  During the WWI era and after, spring steel was the only material that could stand up to retaining the rounds and take the shock of a firing pin slamming into the primer, and then take the shock of the brass in recoil.   However, it’s not 1918 or 1941 anymore.  There are materials available today never dreamed of during WWI & WWII.    So, what could possibly replace spring steel?  Polymer is the word! 

 

Enter Scott Beckham

 

Scott, an engineer in plastic design and injection, enjoys shooting a Smith & Wesson 625. However, Scott found working with the supplied steel clips a pain.  Removing brass from steel clips without the aid of a special tool can be rough on the fingers, if not downright painful!  Instead of buying the tool, Scott, like any good engineer, went to work and developed clips made from polymer!

Scott recently took time out of his busy schedule; and gave Surplusrifle some background on the RIMZ 25 clips he developed.  His .45 caliber clips work with S&W or Colt 1917’s, and S&W 625 guns.  Scott tells us:

“Since my background is in plastics design and injection molding; I knew that I could develop a clip that would hold the cartridge during shooting, but, be easy to load and unload.  While working on a design for a prosthetic knee, (for people who have had an above the knee amputation) I found a material that would withstand repeated impacts.  Within 2 months, the first prototype was made and modified.  By June of 2003, the molded parts for the RIMZ 625 were available for sale.”

The RIMZ 25 isn’t the only product available.  They have clips for other guns, and holsters too.  Check out the site to order the RIMZ 25 and other great stuff. 

 

http://www.ezmoonclip.com/page_4.htm

This company produces modern clips

RIMZ Polymer Clip, in a word: it WORKS!

45 ACP brass must be inserted so rim is in the RIMZ clip recess

Full clip

Another view

Revolver extractor star engages RIMZ clip, so…

One push on the extractor rod extracts the clip and the 45 ACP empties
 

The RIMZ 25 clips are fantastic!  The 45 ACP rounds snap in and snap out without undue force, yet the RIMZ 25 clips hold the rounds securely.  I fired rounds, unloaded the clips, reloaded the clips, and fired more rounds.  The RIMZ 25 clips stood up to the repeated recoil of the gun, and the installation and removal of brass without loosing any resiliency.   I highly recommend this product for anyone shooting a revolver with rimless ammunition.

 

Part III

Handloading & Reloading

 

We have a gun, we have clips, what we need now is ammunition!

Handloading: The assembling of a load with entirely new components

Reloading: The assembling of a load with a previously loaded (fired) cartridge case.

Lee Precision’s Classic Turret Press

(Notice press is secured to 3/8 steel plate with threaded studs)

We shall do both handloading and reloading with respect to the S&W 1917.  Loading for straight-sided pistol and revolver cartridges can of course be done on a single-stage press.  However, with a properly set up, self-indexing turret press, loads can be assembled in a much shorter time.  I’ve always said that if ammunition has to be assembled in a hurry, I wouldn’t feel comfortable shooting it!  Now, here’s the rub: can straight-sided pistol or revolver ammunition be assembled in a shorter time then it takes to load it on a single stage press, yet retain the same high quality as ammunition assembled on a slower single stage press?   The answer is absolutely!  Lee Precision’s new Classic Turret Press, when set up with a Lee powder measure will turn out top quality straight-sided pistol and revolver cartridges in much less time then if a single stage press is used. All loads for this article were assembled on the Lee Classic Turret Press.  For my review of this fine tool and its accoutrements, see article: http://www.surplusrifle.com/reviews2006/leeturretpress/index.asp

An old bullet box is secured to the plate with a screw.  Box is great storage place for small primer arm, .45 AR shellholder, Allen wrenches, etc

Let’s look at handloading first.  .45 Auto Rim (AR) ammunition hasn’t been factory loaded in a long time (there are a few custom loaders producing ammo).  However, new AR brass cartridge cases are readily available from any on-line or catalog dealer of reloading components.  www.midwayusa.com and www.grafs.com both list new AR brass. The great thing about loading the .45 AR is; 45 ACP dies work perfectly for both calibers! 

45 ACP on left, 45 Auto Rim on right, note difference in rim thickness
45 ACP shellholder on left, 45 Auto Rim shellholder on right
45 ACP on left, 45 Auto Rim on right

Beyond the .45 ACP dies, the only other thing required to load  .45 AR brass is a .45 AR shellholder.   If you are buying 45 ACP dies, and they happen to come with a shellholder included by the maker, (Lee dies) then simply order a separate .45 AR shellholder too.  If you are ordering another brand of dies, a brand that doesn’t include a shellholder, it pays to order both the .45 AR and .45 ACP shell holders along with the order for dies.  Hint: if you load for 8mm Mauser or .308 Winchester, etc, you already have the correct shellholder for .45 ACP!

 

45 Auto Rim Shellholders For Standard Reloading Presses

Lee

# 13

Redding

# 17

Hornady

# 31

RCBS

# 8

* Lyman

# 14A

* Lyman shellholders have a larger outside diameter then other brands.  Lyman shellholders may interfere, or not work with some brands & types of tools.

 

If you already have a set of .45 ACP dies, the adjustments you made when you set them up in your press may also work for the .45 AR brass too.   Just snap in the .45 AR shellholder and check it out.  Some press & die combinations will require a bit of die re-adjustment.  The only die I had to re-adjust on the Lee Classic Turret Press was the bullet-seating stem.  The amount of adjustment required was very minor.  With the press & dies ready, it was time to break out brass, primers, and powder and start loading.  

45 ACP brass was no problem.  I have a stash of good, once fired, .45 ACP brass under my loading bench.

When it came to .45 AR brass & shellholder, I got very lucky.  A friend had sold a .45 ACP revolver some months back, and he still had 100 new .45 AR cases, and a .45 AR shellholder under his loading bench.   He hooked me right up with these items.  Thanks Byron, you are one of the “good guys”! 

Remove 45 ACP shellholder

Lee Precision’s Classic Turret Press ram W/O shellholder

Snap 45 Auto Rim shellholder in press ram

All set to load 45 Auto Rim
 
I wanted to try loading the new .45 AR brass first.  As previously stated: I simply removed the .45 ACP shellholder from the Lee Classic Turret Press’s ram, and snapped in the .45 AR shellholder, a bit of adjustment to the bullet seating stem and I was all set to load .45 AR.  It can’t get any simpler then that!   Without rushing, the Lee Classic Turret Press can turn out a round of loaded ammunition approximately every 22 seconds.  Loading went swiftly.  

OFF◄----►ON, rotate hopper in either direction to cut off or open up powder supply to powder measure

The turret head of the Lee Classic Turret Press revolves with every pull of the press handle.  The turret head retains the dies and the Lee Pro Auto Disk Powder Measure.  The Lee Pro Auto Disk Powder Measure’s powder hopper can be rotated to cut off the powder supply.  This is a very nice feature.  At the end of a loading session one can cut off the supply of powder so no more flows into the measure proper.  It allows one to empty the remaining powder still in the powder disk (by putting an empty brass case on the shellholder and working the press handle up & down), without any additional powder entering the measure proper.  To cut off, or open up the powder supply to the measure proper; rotate the translucent (Red) plastic powder hopper.   “Off & On” are clearly marked in this manner. OFF◄----►ON 

I had verified the Lee Pro Auto Disk Powder Measure was very accurate (within 1/10 of a grain) when I initially reviewed the press.  However, I like to go back and re-evaluate things from time to time.  Color me cautious…that’s the wonder of me: -).  Anyhow, while loading .45 AR ammo, I decided to do a spot check on the powder measure output.

I was very surprised to find the measures average output charge was about 2/10’s of a grain low in each case!    Let’s see, same powder lot, same basic weather conditions,  (hot & dry) OK, what’s the Deal-E-Oh?

By pulling the press handle, the turret rotates.  As the turret rotates to the next die station and abruptly stops, the Lee Pro Auto Disk Powder Measure wants to remain in a state of motion. This is called the Law of Inertia, first put forth by in 1687 by Sir Isaac Newton (1642-1727).       

Since the powder hopper can rotate, it moved slightly toward the closed position!   The hopper had closed off about 20% of the orifice that supplies powder to the measure proper.  I moved the hopper all the way top the “ON” position, and proceeded top work the press handle until the turret had made about 10 full revolutions.   Once again, the hopper had closed off about 20% of the orifice that supplies powder to the measure proper.  

Remove brass nuts that retain hopper to measure body and…

Powder hopper slides off
Truss screw
Cross-tip screwdriver tightens truss screw
 
I emailed our friends at Lee www.leeprecision.com.  They quickly responded; and recommended I check the tension on the truss screw that retains the powder hopper.  A quick ¼ turn with a cross-tip screwdriver fixed the problem.  This issue would not have come up had the measure been on a single stage press, or a turret press of the type where the operator has to manually rotate the turret from station to station.  After tightening the truss screw, I cranked the turret thru a lot of rotations.  The hopper remained in the full “ON” position
Turning out ACP & Auto Rim ammo is easy and fast with the Lee Classic Turret press 

Smith & Wesson Model 29, 44 Magnum, 5 inch full lug barrel

(If you want to load “magnum” do it for this gun, NOT the 1917)

 

I selected a light load of Alliant Red Dot® powder and Speer® 230 grain JHP’s.  Since the revolver has fixed sights; I felt these might not shoot to point-of-aim, but that is no problem.  For safety’s sake, I always start with a bottom load, verified by 3 current sources of loading data.  Besides, the 1917 is 88 years old.  There is no sense stressing such a fine old gun.  The breech pressure of the .45 AR is 16,900 cup.  The breech pressure of the .45 ACP is 19,900 cup.   However, the cylinder walls of the 1917’s are relatively thin.  We recommend in the strongest possible terms you stick to light loads in any 1917.  If you want a .44 magnum, please, visit your friendly neighborhood gun dealer.  He will fix you right up with one! After handloading some of the new .45 AR brass, I moved to .45 ACP brass.

The shellholders were once again exchanged in the Lee Classic Turret Press; a bit of adjustment to the bullet-seating stem, and loading continued with the .45 ACP brass.  I had already resolved to begin shooting the S&W with the ACP rounds.   First, this is what the soldier in WWI would have had, and second, I was really impatient to put the new RIMZ 25 Polymer Moon Clips thru their paces!      

RIMZ Full Moon Clips, 30 rounds ready to go to the range

45 Auto Rim rounds, boxed for transport
 

With rimmed cartridges, revolver ammo is usually transported to the range in small “cartridge boxes”.  With the RIMZ 25 Polymer Moon Clips, I could insert the .45 ACP loaded rounds into the clips at home.   The .45 ACP rounds went into the clips without undue force.  However, they were not loose, in fact they fit very well.   I went to the range all set to just drop a clip with 6 rounds in the cylinder.  Very nice indeed! 

With a batch of lips loaded .45 ACP, and  .45 AR ammo, it was time to head to the range.  

 

Part III

Range Time & Reflections

 

I recall when I first began shooting handguns in earnest.  One of the old timers gave me this advice, he said: “Son, there’s 3 secrets to becoming a good shot with a handgun, practice, practice & more practice.”

I took that advice to heart.  I reloaded and I shot, I shot a lot.  Just as the man said, you practice and you get better.  Practice a lot and you get good.  I joined a pistol league. We were required to shoot in different positions, different distances, two hands, strong hand, weak hand, etc.

During the celebration of the Army’s birthday, we had “Mountain Fest” every year at Ft Drum NY, home of the 10th Mountain Division.  Part of the festivities was a post-wide handgun competition.  The rules allowed contestants to use either an Army issue Beretta or a personal handgun.  While most of the soldiers elected to use a military issue Beretta, there were a vast number of privately owned handguns in attendance.  Most of the privately owned guns were stock items, however, there were some exotic race guns too.  

Smith & Wesson 38/44 Heavy Duty on left, Smith & Wesson Model 28 on right

Smith & Wesson Model 28 on right was shot in the match

 
This editor took his old (1966 production) S&W Model 28 revolver.  Other then a set of Packmayer Signature rubber grips, the 28 is stock.  With handloads assembled with my cast bullets and Alliant Herco® powder; I was able to take 3rd place in post-wide competition.  Like the man said: “practice, practice, & more practice.”  

With a center hold; rounds printed slightly left and low

(Common with fixed sighted revolvers)

Sighting on the yellow dot brought group to center

 

The old 1917 shoots!  BUT, I know both the gun & myself are capable of much more.  What was it the old timer said?  Oh yeah, “practice, practice, & more practice.”   I plan to get more practice time in.  Additionally, I need to get a mold and cast bullets for the 1917.  Cast bullets are easier on the barrel, and the checkbook too!

After shooting the S&W 1917, I had some time to think.  Yes, while on active duty I carried a Beretta.  True, it had a high capacity magazine.  However, with the small diameter of a FMC 9mm bullet, perhaps, just perhaps, the high capacity is grounded in the belief one or more follow-up shots will be required to put down a belligerent.   One well placed .45 caliber FMC bullet may be the equal of a couple of 9 mm bullets.  Of course such an opinion is subject to some spirited debate!

While the Beretta semi-auto has a high degree of reliability, jams can, and do occur.  The first group of Beretta’s supplied to the US Military had fracturing issues.  There were no such issues with the 1917 revolvers.

If I had been issued an S&W 1917 while on active duty, and carried extra rounds in clips; would I have felt under gunned?  Nope, not one bit! 

Large-bore, wheel guns are OK by Me. : -)

 

Note 1

 

The first 50,000 Colt 1917’s had completely “bored thru” chambers. They lacked the headspace shoulder that is in the chambers of all S&W 1917’s, and in the majority of Colt 1917’s.

 

To fire the bored thru Colt 1917’s with .45 ACP brass, clips must be used.  Without clips to hold the rimless 45 ACP brass, rounds will simply fall completely thru the chambers!

 

Handloads assembled in .45 AR brass require no special preparation, the flanged case head of .45 AR brass will hold the round in proper position for firing in any Colt or S&W 1917.

 

 

Note 2

 

At one time S&W would make up small runs of guns with non-cataloged features.  This was popular with various city PD’s.   Different barrel lengths, a special type front sight, special finishes etc.  This service is still available, however, these days it requires a minimum order of 5000 guns.

 

 

Note 3

The US Government sold off its stocks of surplus 1917’s long ago.

In 1937, Brazil ordered 25,000 .45 ACP chambered revolvers from Smith & Wesson. The Brazilian Model 37 is an almost, but not quite duplicate of the 1917. The differences are negligible. The Brazilian Model 37 is readily recognizable by the large Brazilian crest on the side plate. In 1988, the Brazilian guns were imported back to the US, and promptly sold on the surplus market.

On any given day, several US marked 1917’s are on internet auction sites. Brazilian 37’s show up with regularity. US marked 1917’s on the auction sites often become the subject of bidding wars. Auction prices for clean 1917’s run from roughly $600.00 on up + shipping. On auction sites, some 1917’s sell for quite high prices!

Auction prices for clean Brazilian 37’s are much more affordable. Clean Brazilian 37’s can be had from about $325.00 for average 37’s, to $350.00 for very clean examples. All prices are + shipping and, if required, + FFL fees. *

Better deals can usually be had buying from local gun stores or from internet sites (not auction sites) that cater to guys with a similar interest. Such sites often have “classified ad” page where private sales between individuals can be arranged (provided ALL legal requirements of the FFA and state laws are met of course). The fellows there speak your language, and good deals can be had. That’s how I got my S&W 1917.
 

www.smith-wessonforum.com has a classified page; I found my gun there. After some pleasant email exchange with the gun’s owner, which included several pictures of the gun, a deal was made.

* The prices quoted here are from a current study of actual selling prices on internet auction sites. These prices of course are not absolute! The best time to buy guns is in the summer. Summer is the slow season for sellers; which makes it the very best time for us buyers.

Some seller’s set a reserve price on an internet auction item, others don’t. The seller that doesn’t set a reserve price is hoping the bidders will bid-up the price on the item into the fair market value range.

A reserve price auction requires that buyers at a minimum meet that reserve price before any sale is completed. A seller may set any reserve price they like on their property. That reserve price may, or may not be within the fair market value range for that gun. Now, I totally support the seller’s absolute right to set any reserve price he or she wants.

However, I watched one reserve auction in particular. Buyers were bidding right to fair market value for the gun. The reserve price was not met. The gun was re-listed. Once again, the same group of bidders bid on the item. They steadfastly refused to bid one penny beyond fair market value. The gun had no particular uniqueness or qualifying factor to warrant an extremely high reserve price. After several cycles of the item not moving, the seller ceased to offer the auction.

 

 

Note 4

 

If the transaction is to be handled face-to-face, insure both you and the seller meet all FFA & state and local laws before making the transaction.  Some states do not allow handgun transactions between individuals.  A 01 FFL holder must handle such   transactions in those states.  The dealer will charge a nominal fee to put the gun on his  or her books, and then transfer it out to the buyer.

 

If long distance precludes a face-to-face transaction, and you (the buyer) have a C&R

FFL, and no state law or local law precludes delivery of the gun to your home; a fair charge for insured shipping on a handgun is in the $25.00 to $35.00 range.

 

If your transaction is long distance, and you don’t have a C&R FFL, or if state or local law requires the sale to be handled from one 01 FFL in the state of the seller to another 01 FFL located in the buyers state, then expect to pay an additional fee (on top of shipping cost) to each 01 FFL dealer to handle the transaction.

 

These are only a few of the scenarios that may occur in the lawful transaction of a firearm from one individual to another.   We recommend in the strongest possible terms that if ANY doubt exists, you verify the requirements to make a legal transaction.  The last thing you want to do is be involved in any situation that violates federal, state or local law.

 

A friend of mine recently won a gun on an internet gun auction site.  When he read the ad, it stated a C&R FFL was acceptable.  After he won the auction, and contacted the seller, the seller replied back that to make the transaction, he would require a 01 FFL!  One would hope the seller simply made an honest mistake when he listed the gun as “C&R”.  However, there is always the possibility the seller listed it as C&R to garner bids, then changed the story after he had a winning bidder.

 

Another thing to be aware of: just because a transaction is perfectly legal, and CAN be handled in a certain way, doesn’t mean an individual, common carrier, or gun store

 HAS to handle it in such a manner.   Some individuals, common carriers, or gun stores may insist that ANY transaction be handled 01 FFL to 01 FFL.  Yep, it can be provoking. However, it usually does no good to argue with them or quote law.  Some prefer to always “play it safe”.

 

 

Note 5

 

The only other guns to incorporate a crane latch are Dan Wesson revolvers and the Ruger Redhawk® revolver.

 

By the time the 1917 contracts were being filled, minor changes had been made in the S&W line to all their guns.  The 1917 S&W is closest to the S&W Second Model Hand-Ejector.

 

 

Note 6

 

The military was correct.

The later S&W 38/44 Heavy Duty, the .357, .41, and 44 Magnum guns were ALL produced without the crane lock feature.  All of these guns were built on the large N frame, and all produce much greater pressure then the .45 ACP cartridge.

Of course, the quality of steel used in the 1917’s is better quality then the steel then that used in the Triple Lock guns.  The steel used in the later model 1950 and 1955 guns is much better then both the 1908 and 1917 guns.  The late model 625 guns are tough stainless steel.    Stick to light loads in the 1917!

 

 

Note 7

 

Some Smith & Wesson guns (NOT guns chambered in .45 ACP) have recessed chambers in the cylinders others do not.  The original purpose of the recessed chambers was to contain “folded head” (sometimes called balloon head) brass.  Folded head brass doesn’t have a solid web like today’s brass. Old folded head brass could separate at the head; so recessed chambers were often utilized to protect the shooter from escaping gas in the event a case head did let go.

 

Although the last folded brass was made well over 50 years ago, some guns with recessed chambers were being produced for another 25 years after that!

 

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Article written by: Mark Trope