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FFL 03 FAQ: aka Questions Posted to ATF…..

 
Article Written by: R. Ted Jeo
 

Table of Contents of FFL 03 Curio & Relic Related Articles

FFL 03 Primer or How to Get Your FFL 03 License
FFL 03 FAQ: aka Questions Posted to ATF Part I
FFL 03 FAQ: aka Questions Posted to ATF Part II
FFL 03 FAQ: aka Questions Posted to ATF Part III
FFL 03 Renewal of Your C&R FFL
 

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(WARNING: these are verbatim questions and answers posted to ATF on the date indicated.  Over time, the answers may change because of changes in laws or regulations)

 
To read more about what and how to obtain an FFL 03 Curio & Relic license click here.
To read more FFL 03 FAQ Questions Posted to ATF click here.
 

Note:  For an ATF listing of the C&R eligible weapons and updates to the list go to:

 http://www.atf.gov/firearms/curios/2001index.htm

 
Oct. 2005

Q: An 03 FFL cannot be used for the business purpose, only for collecting. But, can I get an 01 FFL and use it only for collecting purposes?

A: A Federal Firearms License (FFL) is required under the Gun Control Act (GCA) to engage in business as a manufacturer, importer or dealer in firearms. [18 U.S.C. 922(a)(1), 923(a)] A license application (except for curios and relics) must include a photograph and fingerprints of the applicant.

An application will be approved if the applicant-

(1) Is 21 years of age or over;
(2) Is not prohibited from transporting, shipping, or receiving firearms or ammunition in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce;
(3) Has not willfully violated any provision of the GCA;
(4) Has not willfully failed to disclose any material information or made any false statement;
(5) Has in a State premises from which to engage in business; and
(6) Certifies that the business will comply with State and local law and that local law enforcement officials have been notified of the application. [18 U.S.C. 923(d)(1)]

Licenses are issued for a 3-year period. Licenses may be revoked, or a license renewal application denied, if the licensee has willfully violated any provision of the GCA. A license may only be issued for a permanent premise at which the license applicant intends to do business.


A Federal Firearms License under 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44:

a. Is NOT a license to carry, use, or possess a firearm.
b. Confers NO right or privilege to conduct business or activity contrary to State or other law.
c. Is a business license and will not be issued to an applicant solely intending to enhance a personal firearms collection.
d. Is NOT a license to sell ammunition.
e. Is NOT a license to buy and sell firearms at gun shows only.

Request an application package at: NLClicenseapplication@atf.gov. Provide your name and mailing address. If you comply with all the necessary requirements your application for a federal firearms license will be approved.

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Nov. 2005

Q:

1. Is it possible to 3 friends from the same county, who do not live in the same town, to get one "partnership" C&R license?

2. If it is possible to do #1, would they be able to ship to any of the three addresses?

3. If it is possible to do #1, do all three of them have to sign each and every copy of the C&R they use?

4. (Finally), If it is possible to do #1, how many bound books would they keep? Or are all firearms considered in "one" collection only?

A: You can have a license issued to a partnership. The license will be issued to a license premises. This would be where the bound book would be located and the only valid place to receive curios/relics. You can have a mailing address different than the premises. Only one bound book would be required per licensed premises. Only one of the responsible persons listed on the license has to sign the copies.

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Nov. 2005

Q: I am confused, or perhaps need some clarifications:

1. Back to our 3 person partnership (from above), if they wanted to be able to receive C&R deliveries to EACH of their different addresses, do they each need a copy of the partnership license with THEIR specific address listed on it?

2. If they DO need copies with specific addresses on them, is there an
additional fee for these? If so, how much?

3. How does it work for ownership of the weapons in the partnership, if one of the members leaves the partnership and takes several of the
purchased weapons with him, are they just logged out of the bound book?

A: In a partnership all names appear on the license. The license is issued to ONE premise address. If one of the members of the partnership leaves the remainder partners would have to apply for another license. You are best advised to apply each for your own license.

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Nov. 2005

Q: My house was burgled and several weapons that I bought using my C&R license were stolen, both rifles and pistols. I will notify the local authorities of the thefts, but what about the C&R weapons?

1. Do I have to contact ATF in regards to the stolen weapons? If so, who do I have to talk to and/or what form has to be filled out?

2. Do I log them out in my bound book and mark them down as "stolen"? And if I get them back, do they have to be re-logged?

A: Pursuant to 27 CFR 478.39a, each licensee shall report the theft or loss of a firearm from the licensee's inventory (including any firearm which has been transferred from the licensee's inventory to a personal collection and held as a personal firearm for at least 1 year), or from the collection of a licensed collector, within 48 hours after the theft or loss is discovered. Licensees shall report thefts or losses by telephoning 1-888-930-9275 (nationwide toll free number) and by preparing ATF Form 3310.11, Federal Firearms Licensee Theft/Loss Report, in accordance with the instructions on the form.

You can access the form at: http://www.atf.gov/forms/pdfs/f331011.pdf. The original of the report shall be forwarded to the office specified thereon, and Copy 1 shall be retained by the licensee as part of the licensee's permanent records. Theft or loss of any firearm shall also be reported to the appropriate local authorities.

(Approved by the Office of Management and Budget under control number
1512-0524)

[T.D. ATF-363, 60 FR 17451, Apr. 6, 1995]

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Dec. 2005

Q: While I was deployed, my C&R license expired last month. Do I have to go through the entire licensing process again?

A: You cannot renew an expired license. You must start with a new application.

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Dec. 2005

Q: At what point is a weapon considered to be an antique that does not require a license to ship/own/purchase? Was it that the weapon has to have actually been made before 1898? Can these types of weapons be shipped without a license (assuming any local laws are met?

A: Under section 921(a)(16) of the GCA, the term antique firearm means:

(A) any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured in or before 1898; or

(B) any replica of any firearm described in subparagraph (A) if such
replica-

(i) is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition, or

(ii) uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade; or

(C) any muzzle loading rifle, muzzle loading shotgun, or muzzle loading pistol, which is designed to use black powder, or a black powder substitute, and which cannot use fixed
ammunition.

For purposes of subparagraph (C), a muzzle loading rifle, shotgun, or pistol is not an "antique firearm" for purposes of the GCA if it incorporates a firearm frame or receiver, if it is a firearm which is converted into a muzzle loading weapon, or if it can be readily converted to fire fixed ammunition by replacing the barrel, bolt, breechblock, or any combination of such parts.

Under section 5845(g) of the NFA, antique firearm means:

"...Any firearm not designed or redesigned for using rim fire or conventional center fire ignition with fixed ammunition and manufactured in or before 1898 (including any matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system or replica thereof, whether actually manufactured before or after 1898) and also any firearm using fixed ammunition manufactured in or before 1898, for which ammunition is no longer manufactured in the United States and is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade."

To illustrate the distinction between the two definitions of antique firearm under the GCA and NFA, a rifle manufactured in or before 1898 would be an antique firearm under the provisions of the GCA, even though it uses conventional ammunition. However, if such rifle has a barrel of less than 16 inches in length AND uses conventional fixed ammunition which is available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade, it would not be an antique firearm under the NFA.

An antique firearm as defined in both the GCA and NFA is exempt from all of the provisions and restrictions contained in both laws. Consequently, such an antique firearm may be bought, sold, transported, shipped, etc., without regard to the requirements of these laws.

Under the Arms Export Control Act certain "antique firearms" are not subject to the import controls under that Act. These "antique firearms" are defined as "muzzle loading (black powder) firearms (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) or firearms covered by Category I(a) established to have been manufactured in or before 1898."

No all-inclusive list of antique firearms is published by ATF. Under the Export Administration Act, the Bureau of Industry and Security (BIS) maintains export control requirements on a wide range of dual-use commodities, software, and technology. BIS requires an export license for muzzle loading (black powder) firearms with a caliber less than 20 mm that were manufactured later than 1937 and that are not reproductions of firearms manufactured earlier than 1890. This BIS control does not apply to weapons used for hunting or sporting purposes that were not specially designed for military use and are not of the fully automatic type. This exemption does not apply if the weapon meets certain control requirements. Contact the BIS at 202-482- 4811 for additional information.

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Dec. 2005

Q: I realize that I do not have to run NIC checks for C&R transactions, but can I anyway? Let's say I "suspect" that someone isn't legal. Can I call NICS and ask them to verify the person?

A: You CANNOT run NICS Checks. This is only for licensed dealers, manufacturers and importers. They must register with the FBI NICS in order to get access to run the required NICS checks.

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Dec. 2005

Q: A copy of the C&R form 7 gets sent to my local CLEO. What happens to that copy? Are they required to keep it on file, or, if I do not raise any red flags, do they just destroy them?

A: The CLEO must be notified of your intent to collect. As is stated in the form it requires no action on their part. However, should they have information that may disqualify the applicant from obtaining the license, they should contact us.

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Jan. 2006

Q: I inadvertently destroyed (i.e., toss out) my C&R log book and all my receipts of C&R weapons. What should I do?

A: You should send a letter to the ATF Director of Industry Operations for your State. You can find the address at: http://www.atf.gov/field/index.htm.

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Jan. 2006

Q: Is there a new requirement on a C&R license renewal form to list the number of C&R weapons that were purchased and disposed of during the last 3 years?

A: Yes, this is required.

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Jan. 2006

Q: If I let my license lapse or I want to quit my C&R license, what do I have to do?

A: If you let your license expire you will get an Out-of-Business notice.
If you want to discontinue collecting send the original license back to the FFLC with a letter stating your intent. Mail it to:

Federal Firearms Licensing Center
2600 Century Parkway, Suite 110
Atlanta, GA 30345

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Feb. 2006

Q: If I take my C&R weapon and place it with a consignment shop to be sold, how do I handle my bound book log? Should I log it out and write in the consignment shop as the buyer, or do I log it out only once it has sold and then enter the information for the actual person buying it?

A: You would log the firearm out when you give it to the consignment shop.
You would use their FFL information on the disposition record. They in turn must log the firearm in their bound book when they receive it from you.

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Feb. 2006

Q: If I do not have a C&R, and I am selling a C&R firearm on an auction site, do I need to go through a licensed dealer to send the winner (who does have a C&R) the firearm?

From a previous question, it was my understanding that:
1. If the person is in my state and is eligible to buy and own a firearm, I can do a face to face transaction
2. If the person has a C&R, but I do not, I can still sell/send it to him without using a middle man dealer (01 FFL).

A: A person may sell a firearm to an unlicensed resident of his or her state, if the buyer is not prohibited by law from receiving or possessing a firearm, or to a licensee in any state. A firearm other than a curio or relic may not be transferred interstate to a licensed collector. [18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3)and (5), 922(b)(3), 27 CFR 178.29]

A person not licensed under the GCA and not prohibited from acquiring firearms may purchase a firearm from an out-of-state source and obtain the firearm if an arrangement is made with a licensed dealer in the purchaser's state of residence for the purchaser to obtain the firearm from the dealer. [18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3)and (5), 922(b)(3), 27 CFR 178.29]
 

 
To read more about what and how to obtain an FFL 03 Curio & Relic license click here.
To read more FFL 03 FAQ Questions Posted to ATF click here.
 
 

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Table of Contents of FFL 03 Curio & Relic Related Articles

FFL 03 Primer or How to Get Your FFL 03 License
FFL 03 FAQ: aka Questions Posted to ATF Part I
FFL 03 FAQ: aka Questions Posted to ATF Part II
FFL 03 FAQ: aka Questions Posted to ATF Part III
FFL 03 Renewal of Your C&R FFL
 
 
Article Written by: R. Ted Jeo