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The Biggest Mil-Surp

Article Contributed by: R. Ted Jeo
 

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So, here’s a question for everyone. What is the biggest, meanest, baddest sized mil surp out there? Sure, the 7.62 x 54R is wicked when fired from a short carbine. The Steyr M95 in its true 8mm is pretty bad as well. Not to mention such shorties like the No. 5 Jungle Carbine. Yep, 8mm, even 11mm is big…but I am talking BIG.

Big like, say, 85mm. Big like, say, a TANK. How about owning your own T-34/85 Soviet WW2-era tank? Well one guy has such a thing and offers rides in it no less. Just last Thursday I got an early birthday present and got to do just that.

Just a short (1 hour) drive northwesterly from the Twin Cities, near the town of Princeton, MN at the West Branch Gun Club is where Bob Bowman, owner and operator of http://www.tankride.com hangs out with his T-34/85 as well as British Ferret armored car. He “picked” up his T-34 from a previous owner in St. Louis a while back, for a mere $43,000 or so. That person apparently got it from Poland. For whatever reason, the tank was painted German panzer gray, and Bob left it in that color and added the German markings. He has no idea who or why it was painted that way, he just decided to keep it that way.
T-34/85 Soviet tank. Driver’s hatch is open. Bow gun ball mount is missing to the left of the driver’s hatch.

The first production tank came off the line in 1940. The T-34 designation this time around did not denote that the tank was accepted by the Soviets in 1934, rather, 1934 was the year where the massive expansion Soviet armor occurred as well as when the first ideas for the tank began. The T-34 came in many different styles over the years, first starting out with a 76mm cannon then being upgraded with a 85mm cannon based on an anti aircraft cannon. The tank had one of the widest tank treads in WW2, which allowed it to distribute its weight more (about 10 lb/sq in; about the same as a person), allowing excellent mobility and speed and leaving behind few ground marks. It also used the Christie suspension system (used all the way to the T-62 tank) where each wheel was independently mounted on sprockets where the spring mechanism was located inside the hull. More common at the time were tread systems that had a lot of their mechanicals out in the open, easy to disable with grenades and such. The tank is rear gear drive (differing from the more common front wheel drive tanks of the time) and uses no return wheels for the track, instead, keeping the tank tread in place with “teeth” that fit between the suspension wheels.

Close up of wheel showing, center of spoke, the original Soviet green that the tank was painted in. Note the lack of guides on the track more common on other WW2 tanks.
Close up of track, note the “tooth” in the track that moves between the split wheels, offering simplicity for track movement.

The original engine was the 12 cylinder diesel used for the Soviet artillery tractor. It could

 obtain a road speed of about 34 MPH and cross country speed of 15 MPH depending on the terrain. It got excellent gas mileage, being able to go upwards of nearly 200 miles on the road, compared to the Tiger Tank which got about 120 miles road distance. Bowman had to replace the engine in his tank, using instead a Cummins 250 6 cylinder diesel out of a surplus 5-ton truck. The tank weighed in at about 32 tons.

The first T-34/76 had a crew of four. Bowman’s T-34/85 has a crew of five, those being, driver, bow gunner, gunner, loader and commander. The bow gunner operated a Degtaryev DT machine gun (7.62mm) in the forward hull mounted in a “ball” type mount. An additional DT was mounted coaxial to the main gun and was operated by the loader. The driver has no hydraulics to help him in controlling the tank. He sits nearly with his knees to his chest, in a cramped non padded seat (on that note, there is NO padding what so ever in the tank). Steering is done by the typical two stick method where to turn, the driver stops the track on the side he wants to turn to. The gunner gets the harried job of having to move the turret, adjust for elevation, sight and fire the main gun. The loader does just that, loads and expels spent shells. There is no ventilation in the tank, so all exhaust gases from firing fill the tank every time the breech is opened. (Bowman’s tank was been converted to firing “Hollywood” artillery propane/air mixtures.) It is the commander’s job to identify targets and direct the gunner to engage them. The working environment was bad, but then, the typical life expectancy for a crew was about 3 months. On that note, radios where not installed in this tank until 1945.

Bow gunner would normally operate a DT drum fed machinegun from a ball turret (missing). Note also the slope and slab side of the front armor.

The side view of the turret. Note the small slit just to the left of the German cross, this is where the loader could “see” out. If enemy soldiers were seen, he could “pop” the cork on the firing port (seen below the slit, open) stick out his pistol and try to shoot at the enemy.
Modified “cannon” of the tank, uses propane and air and a spark plug to give a good report. Hydraulics in center of picture were added for elevation control. Red handle to left is the “trigger”
Crank handle on left is for rotation of turret. Red switch above the crank is the elevation switch. Gunner’s sight is directly center top of photo. Cross hairs are marked for elevation. Red handle on right is used to fire the “cannon”.
On Bowman’s tank, the floor is 18 inches lower than the original tank. Normally, there was a false floor that held more main gun ammo. Ready rounds were located in racks around the turret.

View on loaders side of turret.  View slit is below barrel of PPS43 sub machinegun.  Spare drums of ammo for the DT coaxial machine gun can be seen below the PPS43.

The rear of the tank carries a propane and air cylinder to feed the main gun.
Two “targets” (real artillery pieces modified to shoot the propane/air mix) are placed along the drive path and shoot at the tank.
Bowman also operates this Ferret armored car for rides. For our trip, the Ferret was used to give us a “moving” target experience.
The armor on the T-34 tank is unique in that it is one of the first tanks to use the oblique angle plating, where, because of the slant of the straight plate, thinner plate could be used to defeat incoming anti tank rounds. The T-34/85 has a front armor thickness of 1.85 inches, sides of 2.36 inches. The turret front and sides are 3.54 and 2.95 inches thick respectively. At the time it first came out, the T-34 was nearly invulnerable to the common German 37mm anti tank cannon. It was one of the best tanks in the Allied arsenal. The T-34 went on to serve with the Iron Curtain armies in post war Europe, well into the 1960’s as a secondary armor vehicle. It was used in the Korean War, Arab-Israeli wars, Angola and even was seen in use in the 1990’s in Bosnia. Interestingly, except for armament differences, most parts are interchangeable from serial number 1 through all 50,000 made.
Tank commander with my Swedish “cone head” WW2 tanker helmet, holding on to PPSH41 sub machine gun.

Before mounting our armored steed, we all had to sign a waiver on how dangerous the ride could be. Then we donned our Nomex tanker suits, Swedish “cone head” WW2 leather tanker helmets, goggles and hearing protection. Riding on Bowman’s T-34 is like a slow motion roller coaster ride (a very LOUD one at that). I was “lucky” enough to draw the position of commander, so I was standing up, mostly outside of the turret for our roughly 30 minute ride. It was my job to direct the “gunner” below me to targets as we drove around the track. The inside of the tank is no place for anyone over 4 ft tall really. All of us (there were 4 including Bob as the driver) were cramped for space. And it was LOUD (in MAJOR capital letters!!!). Even with the loader standing right next to me, I could hear not a word, and it was not because of our required hearing protection either. There is NO sound proofing on this machine. In order for me to “communicate” to the gunner below me, I, well, kicked him. (actually I was friendly and just nudged him with my feet). I would “kick” him on the right side to have him move the turret to the right, etc. When he was near the target (where he should be able to pick it up in his gun sight) I would smack him on the head to make him stop moving the turret (which, by the way, is a hand cranked affair. Elevation on Bowman’s tank was modified to use hydraulics, so the gunner was spared on that note). Once he got the target in sight, the gunner pulled the trigger. The propane/air “cannon” gave a reasonable flash from the muzzle, but, because of the sound, we could hear hardly a thing from it. It did kick up the dust like a real cannon would. Bob drove us around, taking the corners by moving back and forth until he got turned in the direction he wanted to go. There were some tight corners and required some good maneuvering on his part. Because the driver has about a 1’ by 1.5’ hatch opening to look through (when it is open) he does not have much peripheral version. He told us stories about how he took out the trap houses located on the gun range….since then they have put boulders blocking anything they want to keep, and we were told to park out cars WAY out of the way, behind even more boulders! It was quite a ride to say the least. Being inside the tank is not for someone who is claustrophobic that is for sure (hmmm…I said that once before…) Fortunately, it was not a hot day at all and with the hatches open, we got good air flow through the whole tank. I do not want to even think what it would be like to ride around buttoned up completely, looking out of small slits and periscopes trying to identify threats and targets as you are moving along. There was no such thing as a stabilized gun system on these tanks, so to get an accurate shot, you HAD to stop.

Sten gun in hand, Bob Bowman giving us a lecture on the ownership of full auto weapons. Behind him you can see an Uzi, but there were also: M16A2, AK47, FNFAL, MP40, Thompson, M1919, FN BAR and Maxim full auto machineguns. It was our choice for trying them out.

The machinegun range was about 75 yards and had a “collection” of shot up targets.

After the tank ride, we quickly chucked off our outfits and headed to the second part of the experience. Now we had to don flak vests to guard against ricocheting bullets or fragments as we entered the firing range. Yes, as part of the $120 fee, you also get a 30 round clip and your choice of a number of machineguns to try out (additional shots are $0.50/shot). On the bench before us was a cornucopia of sub and medium machineguns. We had our choices of M16A2, AK 47, FN FAL, Uzi, Thompson, MP40, Sten, M1919, FN BAR and Maxim guns. Oh, it was like a kid in a candy shop! I had wanted to shoot the MG42, but it was broken. So I settled on the Maxim gun. It was first filled with water than the belt was loaded. I set the sights and pulled the trigger. It fired once, and jammed. Broke the case right in half and left it in the breech. Not to be deterred from shooting a belt fed gun, I tried the M1919 and fired off a 50 round burst. The other guys shot the M16A2 and the FN BAR….which I also had to try. The FN BAR is a easily handled, shorter barreled version of the US BAR, chambered in 8mm. It fired slower than the other machineguns, making it much more controllable. My favorite for sure.

M1919 machinegun chambered in belt bed 8mm ammo.

Firing a Belgian made FN BAR chambered in 8mm.
Close up of FN BAR. Unlike the other full autos on the table, this BAR was quite “slow” and very manageable and shootable.

Original 1915 Russian Maxim machinegun, remarked by Finland in 1942.  Water cooled, belt fed in 7.62x54R.

Before I forget, twice a year, once in the spring and once in the fall (September 18th, 2004), the range there holds an open to the public machinegun shoot.  There is a $10 entrance fee, after that it’s $0.30/shot for a wide selection of machineguns, including those mentioned above as well as others owned by dealers and such.  Check it out on the http://www.tankride.com web site. (1-866-888-TANK).

 

Ted's Home Movies of His Adventure

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Article Contributed by: R. Ted Jeo